we don't have to employ the phrase fiscal cliff at all. any ideas? >> how about a deadline? >> how about do your job? it is ridiculous. if tax hikes and spending cuts were not enough, there is a new reminder that the debt ceilings hanging over in a letter to congress, timothy geithner warned they would hit the legal borrowing limit without the okay to borrow more, they would be forced to take extraordinary measures to keep paying the bills. they reference the impending fiscal cliff if a compromise can't be reached by next year on the big unanswered issues. with both side locked in the issues, democrats are not budging. they want to extend tax cuts and incomes below $250,000 for long unemployment benefits and delay the spending cuts. what happens if we go off the fiscal cliff for a few days. >> not much is my understanding. it's much more what the market psyche will do and with respect with the tax hikes and cuts, the hit people take is not as much as the rhetoric suggested early on. what weather it's enough to get back to negotiating things, i agree with you that we will go